[identity profile] lzay-niight.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] bottom_draco
I think I have finally read ONE out of to MANY stories with Harry being in the wrong...only somehow it turns out to be all Draco's fault!!?? Even when authors attempt to right the Boy-Who-Wouldn't-Freaking-Die in a grey, or even dark, light, it still feels that somehow Harry is right and everyone who opposed him (Usually Draco) is wrong, wrong, wrong!

Why!?

The fact that he had cheated, murdered, raped, threw a punch, provoked, etc. Just doesn't seem to matter anymore, as long as we are fully aware that it is Harry Freaking Potter (With sprinkling lights shinning and blinding in the background).

So far, I think I have read THREE stories that doesn't stray from Harry being in the wrong, or bad guy. THREE, out of thousands. That is very sad.

I get it. He was the Hero and Savior in the books. He was The Guy. BUT, I still have faith that the HP fandom is more creative then that. I need it proven, since my search (Over years, too) has come up with very few that can qualify for a genuinely bad Harry. I needs rec's, and am even willing to read General, as in actual general. No parings, and if they are, Draco is not to be paired with a girl. If the story is good enough, I want a warning for switching, and graphic het.

If you aren't sure, please don't be afraid to skim before recommending the story.

Qualifications for Bad Guy Harry Potter:

  1. In NO WAY is he to be excused for his actions. As many people as possible (And yes, this includes his friends, the person he is dating, etc.) needs to know that he is wrong. No matter how much he cries, is hurt, and general making a pathetic image of himself, people needs to know with a clear head that He Is Wrong. (Killed the search right their, didn't it?)

  2. For parings, it is either General (No paring means no paring), HP/DM (It doesn't have to end this way. In fact, I prefer if it doesn't.), OMC/Draco, OMC/Harry. Het wise, I need a warning if Draco is in a graphic het paring, because I will likely not be reading, others might. Either they (Harry and Draco) are friends, Bros, Lovers in the story doesn't matter.

  3. Harry being condemned is optional, but preferable.

  4. Draco, for once in his life, isn't utterly blind by Harry's awesomeness(ess). Rivalry isn't enough. I need him to know Harry has faults, and not all of them Draco likes.

  5. Harry isn't made into a super hero, who has powers, and is a hero! Because he has powers...(>_>)

  6. Hate-Love relationships are AWESOME. But it needs to move further then just rough-sex. I like Plot with my Smot.

Everything is is up in the air. I really don't care about the Theme, if it is dark (Which it is likely is, since Bad Guy Harry = End of World most times) or not. I am obviously not hoping for a fluffy 'Happy Ever After' or even 'Happy Ending'.

Heck, is their a community for this? There should be a community for this. Maybe something called 'The-Boy-Who-Died' or 'Dark Harry'. I don't know. Either way, there should be more stories with Harry sinking, and for once not get offered a million in one hands to help him up, or to give him excuses.

To be sure what I mean by excuses, MOST, or even some, in the story is NOT going to justify his actions. Ex. Well he was drunk, he only kissed her, he only had sex with him, mad, insane, bad childhood, got his toe step on...and so on.

Bad Harry means Bad Harry, guys.

Date: 2014-01-16 06:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] eidheann_writes
Title: Eden
Author/Artist: ???
Pairing(s)/Characters: Harry/Draco
Summary: They never thought he’d go this far.
Rating: NC-17
Word count: ~2,900
Warnings: Partner rape
Author's notes: Thanks to S for the great beta!

Date: 2014-01-16 07:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophie-french.livejournal.com
Wow, this fic was amazing!!! Very powerful and well written. Thanks for the rec! ♥ How come it's still anon?

Date: 2014-01-16 07:07 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] eidheann_writes
Sometimes people ask to remain anon, usually if it's something outside their normal or their comfort zone.

Date: 2014-01-16 08:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophie-french.livejournal.com
Um, yeah, I've already seen that... It's funny though!

Date: 2014-01-16 07:17 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] eidheann_writes
Also, sometimes people go pro and aren't allowed to write/draw a) derivative works b) for free. So staying anon covers their butt ;)

Date: 2014-01-16 08:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophie-french.livejournal.com
Ah okay! It makes sense! Thank you! :)

Date: 2014-01-18 08:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] m-xanath.livejournal.com
The autor of Eden is [livejournal.com profile] gypsyflame you can see it in the reveals of 2011 http://hp-darkfest.livejournal.com/62471.html :)

Date: 2014-01-16 07:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] josephinestone.livejournal.com
got his toe stepped on...lol.

Killed the search right their, didn't it? Pretty much, lol. I'm not huge dark fic reader to begin with and I'm not into evil for the lols. So for me, if he is evil there has to be a reason. But I so get what you are saying here from the little I have read. Harry is always the hero. I think it is because a lot of people want it to fit into canon and every one does look at Harry as a hero in canon, so even when he does do evil things no one knows about the evil things he does.

[livejournal.com profile] hd_hurtfest is coming up and I'll keep a look out there, and I'm sure you've heard about [livejournal.com profile] hp_darkarts, right?

Date: 2014-01-16 08:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nearlynina.livejournal.com
Peeking behind the Curtain by calrissian18 is the only one I can think of. Harry gets forgiven by the end of it, but only once he's admitted to being an asshat and had Ron confront him about it.
http://archiveofourown.org/works/824682
Draco sees things he really, really wishes he didn't. If only to get out of all the homework that comes with it.

Date: 2014-01-17 02:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lijahlover.livejournal.com
If you want a bad guy Harry then this is your fic. I have read this many times and love it and have reced it before.

The Danger in the Shadows (http://softly-sweetly.livejournal.com/189508.html?page=1)

Not sure it fits anything you have up their except bad guy Harry.

Date: 2014-01-23 05:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lijahlover.livejournal.com
You're welcome.

Date: 2014-01-17 10:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kirain.livejournal.com
OMG! I support you a lot!!!! :3
Maybe Better Left Dead (http://archiveofourown.org/works/577515) by calrissian18 I think so

Date: 2014-01-17 03:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bordge.livejournal.com
I love you.....

Sadly I have no recs whatsoever but you seemed to have screamed out the same frustrations I have.
I've been looking for a really bad/gritty cheat-fic that makes you feel like having a heart attack coz the story is just so damn painful!...I LOVE IT!

anyway, im gonna go ahead and read some of the stuff recommended here...:D

Date: 2014-01-18 04:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kolachess.livejournal.com
I....wow I hear you. I was under the same frustrations and thus wrote my fic, Tabula Rasa (http://archiveofourown.org/works/738697). Self-pimping here, but I do feel it fits your feels. There is no Harry-bashing if that's what you're looking for, but he doesn't necessarily get his way/is guilt-free. I am a little iffy on how far your definition of bad-Harry goes (I know you listed it and all), but my primary motivation in writing my story was to portray human!Harry and human!Draco. Human!Harry who makes mistakes and Human!Harry who suffers for them. I wouldn't call him bad...but hmm.

And if cheating is what you're looking for, then not this fic either. But if all you want is see Harry make mistakes and see him pay for it... :) This is partially 2nd-person (for reasons), so if that's not your cup of tea, that's understandable.

Hopefully you likey!

Alternate ff.net link: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/7726601/1/Tabula-Rasa
Edited Date: 2014-01-18 04:42 am (UTC)

Date: 2014-01-18 03:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kolachess.livejournal.com
So someone left a comment on my story saying it should not have been recced, since it didn't fulfill the requirements of what the requester was looking for (not bad!Harry enough)

Just putting it out there for someone who might want to read but doesn't want to be disappointed that Harry might not have served his dues the way the reader might have wanted. The reader seemed to believe at the end of my fic that Harry did no wrong, which completely baffled me as that's the first time I've received a response like that. It's usually more along the lines of the fact that Harry did do wrong and suffered for it. And I'll just spoil part of it and say Draco never forgives Harry in my fic.

I will reiterate - this is not a Harry-'bashing' fic. If you are looking for a fic where Harry commits wrongs and is completely ostracized by all his friends or something (and if that's what requester is looking for, sorry I misunderstood), then this is not it. I guess #1 is a debatable qualification, since the fic only really involves Harry and Draco.

Sorry...I never want to come off as being defensive of something I wrote, but I figured there were both types of ppl looking at these recs (ppl who want ostracized!Harry or something close and ppl who just want unforgiven!Harry), and it was fair to clarify both viewpoints.

Also (because I don't know if the commenter will read my reply on AO3), was the commenter by chance the original requester? Even though it said 'she requested' and all, I just wonder. Because if it is, please just come out and say so and I can delete this rec or something. Or you can.

No hard feelings! Just confused and feeling a tad misunderstood. But oh well.

Edited Date: 2014-01-18 04:22 pm (UTC)

Date: 2014-04-17 06:49 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
You should try the Harry Potter series (as in "Harry Potter and the ...) on Fanfiction.net by shedevil628 (https://www.fanfiction.net/u/1581534/shedevil628). Harry is kind of f**ked up in the head, but Draco is kind of okay with it. In the story, Harry is very controlling and they both know it. But from what I remember, it doesn't get all that dark until later on in the series, but it gets there.

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