Another Fic Search...and Rants.

[lzay-niight.livejournal.com]

Hey Guys, I am back with another fic(s) request and a rant to burn off some steam.

So I have another fic search and one that is fairly specific. I am looking for fics out their to add to my growing bookmarks with the pairing Harry/Draco or Gryffindor/Draco, that doesn't have Draco pretty much turning into this suddenly perfect partner for Harry. You all know what I'm talking about. The ones were he suddenly isn't jealous and bitter of the fact that Harry gets all the attention and start to sympathize with Harry and admit he has been wrong, because obviously ever Gryffindor or person on the light side are saints that are just always, always right and can just never do the bad thing. Because you know, it's not like they are human or anything, right?

Yeah, I am not looking for fics like that.

Sadly for me, and lucky for everyone else that is a huge Harry Potter (the character) fan and like to pair him with Draco, these fics are more dominate in this fandom and are easy to find.

I really, really, don't want to read another fic like this again. I get why most people who write HP/DM go the same route I explained above. From the way I see it, Harry is the main character and is on the 'good' side or the 'right' side. That's cool and all, but for a person like me who really doesn't go for the goody two shoes character, it frustrating to see the character seemingly always changing to better fit Harry's good personality.

I get it. Harry Potter = Good guy that could do no wrong.

BUT, I would prefer it if Draco Malfoy ≠ Harry Potter perfect boyfriend/Lover/Pet/Husband after he sees reason that the 'light' side was obviously right from the beginning and the 'dark' side was just so very wrong and had absolutely zero reasoning to begin with.

Why can't they just agree to disagree? Can they not have their own opinion and still be together?

In my eyes, both sides had equal parts were they were wrong and were they were right. You know, I have yet to read a story (with bottom Draco) where the 'light' side and 'dark' side simply compromised with each other other than Oath Breaker. Isn't that one usually tries to do before going into full war and even after going into full war a treaty to end the war or something is sighed.

And this may offend other (which I'm not trying to do, I swear) but I had never seen the fight against Harry and Tom Riddle as a full out war, even when they supposedly declared war. This could likely be to the fact that by the time I got into the HP books I had read some really intense war fics filled with eye widening action and some pretty graphic manga (Naruto, Bleach, Vampire Knight, Code Breaker, and much more) and compared to them what Harry went through to defeat Tom Riddle  wasn't really all that bad. They also kept mentioning on how if Tom wasn't defeated it would effect the whole wizarding world, but the action was kept in Britain and just seemed like a small civil war at most times to me. I don't think the wizarding world would have trouble killing off Tom if Harry didn't defeat him if it really came to that.

While reading slash fics over the years I have become sensitive to all things 'good' or 'right'. I dislike characters that always do 'good' or whatever. I don't mind reading about them if they are partnered with a character like Draco who others sees as a 'bad' or 'not right'.

I don't want to read another fic like that either. The one were Draco 'gets whats he deserve'. He can be punished for what he did in the war, that's fine. It's when people over due it is were I draw the line. Fics that involves him becoming a slave of some sort, and after being tortured and raped, seems to fall in love with his 'master' were I would see him either finding some way to kill himself instead of have to bruise his pride or biding his time to escape and kill. A LOT of authors seem to make him incapable of killing or focus on the word 'coward' because he is a slytherin.

Authors tend to look from a Gryffindor point of view and not a slytherin like I would prefer. Or just a general would be great.

At any rate, rant over and done with I am hoping that their are fics (bottom Draco) out their that isn't written in a Gryffindor perspective, have Draco changing or 'correcting' his views to be with Harry, have Draco punished for his crimes unfairly, or 'light' side Draco period at this point. I would rather him just be on his own dang side or neutral.

Comments

[eidheann_writes]

Just for clarification sake: are you wanting still "good"/gryph Harry and "bad"/slyth Draco? Or just fics told from a more Slytherin pov? Dark/slyth Harry moving more to match Draco?

For the "written in Slytherin pov" I tend to really like lomonaaeren There have been lists made of her b!Draco fics in this comm in the past.

[lzay-niight.livejournal.com]

Yeah I do love her work (which reminds me I have to bookmark it) and though I have read most from her b!Draco list, I haven't read it all. Thanks for reminding me! I will be back tracking towards her stories. :)

And I don't mind which.

[beldaran1.livejournal.com]

Hmm, you should read Keiramarcos. She has two Harry/Draco fics that are amazing with awesome characterizations for both Harry and Draco, definite must reads.

The War Mages Trilogy
Series Summary: Harry Potter and Draco Malfoy are forced to travel back in time to before the war began in earnest in order to give the wizarding world a better future. They are so pissed off.

BOOK ONE: That Old Black Magic
Summary: Head Auror Harry Potter and his magical partner, Lord Draco Malfoy, are cast back in time against their will and at the whim of fate to right the injustices done during the second blood war. Faced with a nightmare filled future, a looming war, and the forced to deal with people long dead to them–they must navigate the past, protect the future, and learn to forgive before it’s too late.

http://keiramarcos.com/fan-fiction-index/harry-potter/the-war-mages-trilogy/ (http://keiramarcos.com/fan-fiction-index/harry-potter/the-war-mages-trilogy/)

Birth of the Serpent King
Summary: What if Lucius Malfoy had interfered and saved Harry Potter’s life during the third task? The Harry that returns to Hogwarts after the resurrection of Voldemort has been tempered by fire, the Potter Family legacy, and a relationship he couldn’t have ever expected. In the wake of his father’s redemption—Draco Malfoy finds everything he could have ever wanted in the man that was once his enemy.

http://keiramarcos.com/fan-fiction-index/harry-potter/birth-of-the-serpent-king/ (http://keiramarcos.com/fan-fiction-index/harry-potter/birth-of-the-serpent-king/)

[lzay-niight.livejournal.com]

I have read the second one but not the first. I will definitely be checking that one out! Thank you for rec! I really appreciate it. :P




p.s. Is The War Mages Trilogy all bottom Draco or is their switching? I just want a heads up before I began reading...I cant remember id Birth of the Serpent King was fully B!Draco or if it had even penetrative sex on screen. >_>

[beldaran1.livejournal.com]

War Mages Trilogy is bottom Draco so far, he does state that is his preferred position ;-).

[bella526.livejournal.com]

Here are some with what I consider "in-character" Draco: (he's not necessarily dark/may have gone through some realistic changes/matured without becoming a goodie goodie)
Trajectories by bookshop (http://hd-holidays.livejournal.com/153210.html)
Salt on the Western Wind by saras_girl (http://hd-smoochfest.livejournal.com/82396.html)
The Alpha Watch Archives: Sin for Me (volume 1) by furiosity (http://thehexfiles.net/viewstory.php?sid=5383) (I don't know about the other volumes, but is still great on its own)
Hope this is what you were looking for! :)

[lzay-niight.livejournal.com]

Thank You! I haven't read two of the stories you've recommended so it is very welcomed! (I haven't even heard of them) :D

[lunanimes.livejournal.com]

You have probably read this, since I am sure everyone is familiar with this story as is a classic, but in case you haven't:

That Which Divides Us by: oldenuf2nobetter (http://www.thehexfiles.net/viewstory.php?sid=8861)

Draco doesn't become goodie goodie, Harry doesn't become dark. They are just a mix of each other in the end due to circumstance that happen in the story.

[lzay-niight.livejournal.com]

LOVE that story. I have read it over a dozen times and still can't seem to get enough of it.

...

I think I'm going to read it again. ;D

[serilla.livejournal.com]

I really like the way Draco is written in "Snatch"by didntyoupotter - here's the linky thing: http://didntyoupotter.livejournal.com/1546.html
It never really suggests who is top or bottom (from what I can remember) but if I have got it wrong please disregard my comment and link to the story. :)

[lzay-niight.livejournal.com]

I don't remember ever reading it before, so thank you!

[roadtime.livejournal.com]

I was just going to point out lomonaaeren, if you want a slytherin pov, but she's already been recommended. Wish she had more bottom!Draco fics.

I'd recommend Nightingale (http://www.bigbang.inkubation.net/bbb3/nightingale.html), if you haven't read it already, both characters are very much IC in all the things that really matter. But be warned, it is a dark fic and there are some things that you might find very disturbing, read the warnings.

Re: rant, I get exactly what you mean, I hate that too. One of the things I like about H/D is them coming to love each other despite their differences, and I get annoyed when the author takes the easy way out. What I disagree with is that I think Harry doesn't have a necessarily "good" personality, and I get annoyed when he's portrayed as a goody two shoes in fic, because in canon he's not, and I wouldn't love him otherwise. I hate it when in fics Harry's stereotyped as a Gryffindor, because not only it is weird to characterize based on house entirely, also because he's not even a whole Gryffindor, he's a Slythindor. I just hate it when in long fics, he's written as Pleasant McPleasant and Draco as Holy Mother of Snark, with them changing for the other in a completely OOC way (I hate it when Harry changes fundamental parts of his personality for Draco too). I think Draco has many good assets that Harry doesn't have, and Harry can do many a bad thing Draco wouldn't do. That's why I think the two can be a good influence on each other given enough time and understanding. But I usually don't read Slytherin POV fics, not because I don't like that or whatever, but because I can't stand a Harry who gets on with a racist Draco who haven't repented about that, and so many slytherin pov fics have that. Racism is one thing I can't budge about.

[lzay-niight.livejournal.com]

I am going to be honest. I agree and disagree with the whole 'purebloods are better then muggles and muggle-borns prejudice'.

I agree to the fact that it seems kind of curious as to why over fifty generation of purebloods claim this, and still do so in the present. I think there is something behind that whole idea that lay forgotten over the years. (Or I am just thinking to much into it, but someone has to right?) Plus, I don't think the wizarding world would survive without purebloods (Old blood that carries the magical gene) but could survive not having muggle-borns. The inbreeding they did may seem disgusting or inappropriate, but if it's about keeping a gene like having magic then I would have probably done it too.

I disagree because I absolutely HATE pointless killing. I have zero tolerance for it. Obviously, if muggles found out about wizards and wanted to extinguish them, they would have likely succeeded after awhile by number alone. Muggle and wizards are kind of like yin and yang. Equal but completely opposite.

That is also why I like H/D pairing because they balance each other out. I would never change for someone I like because I myself just the way I am, so I enjoy it very much when Draco's doesn't change and Harry still fall in love with him.

I also know that the racism goes BOTH ways, and dislike when author's try to pretend that it doesn't. Purebloods are more vocal about there views, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out how the wizarding world see all things 'dark'. I find both notions of 'dark or evil' and 'light and good' ridiculous. No human can be completely right 100% no matter how bad or good they are.

I see this, there for can't really put all the blame on Draco. If he has to see that muggles and muggle-borns are equal then Harry has to see that everybody has possibility to become 'dark' and even then it's likely because they simply turned a wrong corner somewhere.

Thank you for the rec! I haven't read the story, or if I did I don't remember. ;)

[roadtime.livejournal.com]

Since we started talking about it, here's my thoughts about the subject.

it seems kind of curious as to why over fifty generation of purebloods claim this, and still do so in the present.

Because of the resentment they feel that the muggleborn and Muggle-associated (halfbloods) can share a world that they see rightfully as "theirs". Most pureblood families don't want to wipe out Muggles and muggleborns anyway, they just want them to accept that purebloods are better and establish a better status for themselves by oppressing them. Because of their birth association. Textbook racism. They don't have to want to kill em to be racist, seeing themselves as better than them because of birth association is enough.

There's also the resentment they've nursed over the centuries, because witches were burnt in the middle ages, and they punish the Muggle and muggleborn of now, who haven't done anything to them and don't deserve it one bit. Purebloods justifying hating Muggle and Muggleborn by stating the execution of witches in those centuries is a case of oppressors woobifying themselves and excusing their prejudice.

Wizarding world would survive without purebloods. In the world JKR created, there are only 28 pureblood families left. They're very few, compared to mixed/halfblood population. Old blood doesn't carry the magical gene, purebloods don't carry the wizarding world's next generation single handedly, otherwise all halfbloods (i.e. by far the bigger part of wizarding community) would have become extinct without procreating with purebloods and procreating within themselves, because as you well know, purebloods usually don't intermarry. Even if all pureblood families died down, wizarding world would go on.

Old blood carries the magical gene is pureblood propaganda. Anyone magical can, a muggleborn has the same odds of carrying the magical gene as a pureblood does. Having magical parents doesn't even guarantee that the kid will be magical, hence the Squibs. I expect Squibs are very hush hush in pureblood families, because it's the direct disproof of their beliefs.

I also know that the racism goes BOTH ways, and dislike when author's try to pretend that it doesn't. Purebloods are more vocal about there views, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out how the wizarding world see all things 'dark'

Oh no, it doesn't. Racism is always the powerful privileged of the society oppressing any other social group based on birth status. If, say, there ever comes a time where the muggleborn had privileges over purebloods (in terms of law, social standing, finances etc), then muggleborn oppressing purebloods would be racism. And I think a situation like that isn't going to happen anytime soon in HP universe, because even after Voldemort's fall and thus Voldemort sympathizers' disgrace, people's prejudices won't change much at large, only the worst offenders will be imprisoned. Nothing will happen to the racist person who didn't join Voldemort's ranks in the war and the prejudice will go on, because racism takes generations to die down.

About what you said about dark magic; people shunning dark magic sympathizers can't ever be racism because it's not related to birth status. It's shunning people because of what they do, not because of what they are. It can be a prejudice, yes, but given the nature of dark magic, how addicting it can be, and the fact that it always disregards to consent of someone, I do think it's plausible to be worried about it. At most it's more a matter of people being too totalitarian/forbidding, not racism.

When it comes to Harry, of course his opinion isn't the end all, be all to everything. Harry's not always right, and that's how I like him, I don't want to read about no perfect dude. But about racism, he's right. I don't want Harry to be with someone who (even secretly) thinks about his mother and his friend as a mudblood (the wizarding world equivalent of the N word). That said, given that Draco has repented of his racism, I don't want his personality to change one bit for Harry. Because Harry can certainly love him that way :)

[internet-self.livejournal.com]

Hello there! I know this debates a little old but I was just browsing for some much needed in character Draco when I saw this and was rather intrigued by the conversation. I hope either of you don't mind me sticking in a couple of thoughts of my own that I thought about when I read this?! :D

"Because of the resentment they feel that the muggleborn and Muggle-associated (halfbloods) can share a world that they see rightfully as "theirs". Most pureblood families don't want to wipe out Muggles and muggleborns anyway, they just want them to accept that purebloods are better and establish a better status for themselves by oppressing them. Because of their birth association. Textbook racism."

I get the whole oppression thing, completely right, however I've always looked at the purebloods hatred of muggles and the muggle world ect as contempt at the muggles dominance of the wider world and in a way the repression of the magical community. When you think about it for centuries, since the time of Merlin, witchcraft was something shunned and demonised so much so that they literally have to hide entire communities from the muggle world. They are forced to secret themselves away and while in the wider world deny who they were born to be: magical and shit. They even have laws for it! Magic in front of a muggle, being your true self in front of a muggle and it's askaban for you! I don't see it as them wanting to establish a better status (because they already think they have that) but as having the ability to not hide away. But that's just my thought.

Oh and just a little side note on the racism thing, it definitely does of both ways.

Thanks for your time ^_^ ice been wanting to get that out for a while now!

[pillow-lust-23.livejournal.com]

One of my favorite stories is Oath Breaker, by KC

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2473502/1/Oath-Breaker

Draco is Dark and proud, but not evil, as such, and there is a lot of meta about Dark/Light and how it came to be that way which I thought was very original. At least, I'd never read it before. It's an intriguing, well-written story and loooooong. There is a sequel that's never been finished.

As far as I can remember, it is bottom Draco, but I have to admit that I'm not 100% sure, as it's not something that I pay a lot of attention to.

[lzay-niight.livejournal.com]

There is actually no penetration on screen, but it kind of hints a B!Draco. Thanks for the rec! :)

[kolachess.livejournal.com]

LOL. I totally understand what you mean. I hope you don't mind utterly shameless self-pimping but...It's one of the reasons why I wrote a one-shot here: Tabula Rasa (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7726601/1/Tabula-Rasa) or at HexFiles here (http://www.thehexfiles.net/viewstory.php?sid=16533).

Although it might not be quite what you're looking for since it is a rather dark and depressing one-shot. It's not a long chaptered fic whatsoever. But it definitely doesn't have goody-two-shoes!Harry since I wrote it precisely because I was tired of all that...so...

There we go! You can read it if you want. I look forward to the other recs posted too!

But yes, I agree. I get quite tired of Harry being right and always being wronged by Draco. Who's to say a matter is good or bad? Anyways.

[lzay-niight.livejournal.com]

Thank you for the rec, I don't mind 'dark' stories or even bleak ones.